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| Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 12:46 pm |
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Double B Administrator
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Have a feeling Javier Vazquez may be a helluva pitcher for the Braves. He gave up a lot of homeruns in that White Sox band box but at the Ted he won't have to worry about that. Plus, players that come to the National from the American League tend to give up about a run a game or more less. What say you?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26th, 2009 06:46 pm |
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selwonk Member
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Apparently Vazquez was one of the unluckiest pitchers last year, posting an unusually high BABIP (Batting Average of Balls In Play) of .328 and a FIP (Fielding Independent Pitching ERA) of 3.74, considerably lower than his actual ERA of 4.67. Also, moving to Turner and the NL alone should give him a considerable boost. Computer projection systems have him posting ERAs between 3.26 (CHONE) and 4.19 (Marcel). He should be a solid #2 starter.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 02:30 pm |
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gt_thwg Member
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When you put baserunners on, it's not all bad luck. I think Vazquez will be much better for the Braves than he was for the Chi Sox, but he's no ace. If you're going to allow as many baserunners as he does, you have to be able to induce groundballs...Vazquez has always given up a lot of fly balls. There is not a chance in hell that he puts up a 3.26 ERA...He MIGHT be under 4.00 ERA if he's able to keep the ball down. The bigger issue I had with the trade for Vazquez was the fact that we gave up Tyler Flowers to get him. IF we're going to give up a power hitting Catcher, we ought to be getting a little more in return, IMO. I think it was a bit of a knee jerk reaction to the fear of not being able to land a SP.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 05:56 pm |
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selwonk Member
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I agree with what you're saying about him being a flyball pitcher; however, his BABIP was significantly higher last year than his career average (.310), suggesting that he DID have some bad luck considering his flyball rate has remained constant. Also, Vazquez offsets a little bit of that flyball rate by striking out a good number of batters, by inducing a lot of popups (over 12% of his flyballs are in the infield), and by consistently posting low walk rates. Anyway, I agree that there's very little chance he puts up a 3.26, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he posts a sub-4.00 ERA. In fact, I think a 3.70 ERA is a reasonable expectation.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 3rd, 2009 06:10 pm |
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selwonk Member
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gt_thwg wrote: The bigger issue I had with the trade for Vazquez was the fact that we gave up Tyler Flowers to get him. IF we're going to give up a power hitting Catcher, we ought to be getting a little more in return, IMO. I think it was a bit of a knee jerk reaction to the fear of not being able to land a SP. Once again, I agree with what you say here, but keep in mind that Flowers was only in Hi-A last year and that he might not be able to stay at catcher. He would still be a good prospect at 1B, though.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 4th, 2009 01:58 am |
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Confederatebuzz Member
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He has a chance to be a solid pitcher......he chews up innings, and gets a lot of K's. Being in a much bigger stadium while pitching in a league where 8-6 isn't the norm should be a boon as well. He's well suited for #3. The problem is, this team doesn't have a No 1. Instead, he, Lowe, Kawakami and Jurrjens all seem to be somewhere between a 2 and a 3.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10th, 2009 10:58 pm |
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JacketFanForLife Member 
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13 wins - 10 losses era around 3.80 - 4.00 very average at best.
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| Posted: Wed May 13th, 2009 02:18 pm |
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mack Member
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JacketFanForLife wrote: 13 wins - 10 losses era around 3.80 - 4.00 very average at best. After watching the pen last night,I would take a season of 13 and 10 ! We sure need a closer and quickly.WE are getttttting good pitching but woeful pen work at times.
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| Posted: Mon May 18th, 2009 02:31 am |
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Double B Administrator
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JacketFanForLife wrote: 13 wins - 10 losses era around 3.80 - 4.00 very average at best. That's American League numbers, tho. He'll do a lot better in the junior circuit.
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